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  1. says:

    4 17 19 quote from National Geographic A study published today in Cell adds a surprising new twist to their mystery DNA from a large sampling of living southeast Asians suggests that the ghostly Denisovans may be not one, but three distinct kinds of human, one of which is almost as different from other Denisovans as they are from Neanderthals What s , while the Denisovans lived alongside humans for millennia, one group may have outlasted even the Neanderthals, who disappeared some 40,000 years ago According to the study, these Denisovans co existed and mixed with modern humans in New Guinea until at least 30,000 years ago but perhaps as recently as 15,000 years ago a date that, if confirmed, means Denisovans were the last known humans save ourselves to walk the Earth Suddenly it s kind of crystalized that the center of diversity for archaic populations is in Islands Southeast Asia, says study co author Murray Cox of Massey University, New Zealand, referring to the Philippines, Malaysia, and the other archipelagos that make up the vast maritime region of the Asian subcontinent Five stars for times it comes to mind Imagining the now underwater East Asia as it existed for most human time on Earth Exposing the land now covered by the China Sea, Yellow Sea, etc Sundaland Five stars for providing a world view how the end of the Ice Age caused extreme increase in sea level, the civilization destroyed, and the diaspora Depicts the now underwater world of East Asia, where I speculate Sapiens created the first Civilization, dating to the Great Flood stars for too much information find re reading a challengeBought an Eden in the East for myself after reading a library copy It now contains many stickies and notes written in margins Some interesting what if material What potential for a fantasy the three era sinking of the world s first civilization, a trip around the north Pacific by survivors Oppenheimer s theories seem quite plausible and could provide useful world building blocks the Wiki about Oppenheimer In his book Eden in the East The Drowned Continent of Southeast Asia, published in 1998, Oppenheimer makes a case that the rise in ocean levels that accompanied the waning of the ice age as much as 500 feet 150 m during the period 14,000 7,000 years ago, must be taken into account when trying to understand the flow of genes and culture in Eurasia Citing evidence from geology, archaeology, genetics, linguistics, and folklore, he hypothesizes that the Southeast Asian subcontinent of Sundaland was home to a rich and original culture that was dispersed when Sundaland was mostly submerged and its population moved westward According to Oppenheimer, Sundaland s culture may have reached India and Mesopotamia, becoming the root for the innovative cultures that developed in those areas page 10 At the height of the Ice Age around 20,000 18,000 years ago, Southeast Asia formed a continent twice the size of India, and included what we now call Indo China, Malaysia, and Indonesia The South China Sea, the Gulf of Thailand and the Java Sea, which were then all dry, formed the connecting parts of the continent, Sundaland The flat land area lost by Sundaland Geologically, this half sunken continent is termed the Sunda shelf, or Sundaland The flat land area lost by Sundaland after the Ice Age was as large as India Eventually only the scattered mountainous island of the Malay archipelago were left A similar and vast swathe of land was also lost from the Pacific coast of Asia Land that formerly stretched between Korea, Japan, China and Taiwan is now called the Yellow Sea and the East China Sea Today s ports along the present south coastline of China, such as Hong Kong, were hundreds of miles inland during the Ice Age This book discusses the possibility that when the final dramatic rise in water level occurred between about 8000 and 7500 years ago, the last of a series of emigration routes went south towards Australia, east towards the Pacific, west into the Indian Ocean and north into the Asian Mainland In their flight they carried their domestic animals and food plants with them Those in northern Sundaland fled north into Indo China and Asia and founded sophisticated cultures in Southwest China, Burma and Tibet Some of the splendid artefacts of these early civilizations are only now being unearthed page 62 Southeast Asia has the highest concentration of flood myths in the world It is an area with few large river deltas and no recent reputation for flooding, but it lost than 50 per cent of its landmass after the Ice Age For the serious science oriented reader, I could not get engaged with an attempted reread The elements of speculation that appealed to me were lost in the vast of amount of questionable information Would recommend, with little enthusiasm A book to be skimmed.

  2. says:

    This is kind of academic But I was reading for the subject matter about the possibility of a South East Asian continent that was the original cradle of civilisation, before it was drowned by rising water levels at the end of the last ice age The first part of the book which deals with data on the flooding is a bit of a long haul The second part which dealt with comparisons of similar folklore between various cultures to see where the original story came from is much interesting for me I d recommend this to anyone with a keen interest in South East Asian indigenous cultures or pre colonial history.

  3. says:

    After I read The Forgotten Exodus The Into Africa Theory of Human Evolution in which Bruce Fenton presents his argument for the evolution of Homo sapiens from the Homo erectus population of Southeast Asia, his argument well supported by archaeological and genetic evidence, I thought it a good idea to read Stephen Oppenheimer s Eden in the East The Drowned Continent of Southeast Asia, though not strictly as a follow on, since it was written some 20 years earlier.In Eden in the East Oppenheimer sets out to prove that, displaced by a catastrophic flood ca.8,500 years ago, many of survivors from Southeast Asia, notably those from the drowned coastal lands of the former Sundaland, took to their sea going canoes to find new homes, taking with them their myths, and their potentially advanced technology They settled in India, and Sumer Mesopotamia , and possibly in South America Note Oppenheimer makes no mention of Atlantis But does he succeed in his argument In my opinion, no.The book can be divided into four sections 1 The floods He lists three The first two, at 14,000 and 11,500 years bp, date to the end of the Older and Younger Dryas respectively These were two brief returns to glacial cold and drought However, Oppenheimer s argument pertains only to the rapid rise in sea level at the collapse of the Laurentide ice sheet ca.8000 years bp This collapse has been the subject of several recent geological studies which produced evidence not available when Oppenheimer was writing Yet without this evidence, he still puts forward enough for me to accept that it happened, and to the extent said, i.e a total rise in sea level of 120 metres 500 feet from the greatest low at the time of the last full glacial 20,000 years bp However, I might question how much of this rise was due to the Laurentide collapse alone Apparent sea rise isn t only a matter of water, but with the weight of ice lifted from the land, that land rises while adjacent land sinks But disregarding the evidence used, in my opinion his argument would have been better supported with effective graphics a complaint that surfaces throughout the book, but most notably in this next section.2 Languages of Southeast Asia, and the need to account for the harlequin pattern of their spread There are a confusing number of languages spoken across Southeast Asia, though these can be placed in just four phyla Austro Asiatic Austro Tai Austronesian and Sino Tibetan There is a feeling amongst linguists of this region that to untangle this interwoven plaited pattern of languages will be to make clear the equally tangled pattern of migrations Oppenheimer devotes considerable time in debunking his predecessor s theories and an attempt to establish his own While I understand the underlying reason, I found his trail at times difficult to follow and can t help thinking that effective graphics would have solved the problem And by now I was beginning to tire of this book Yet I persisted.3 Genetics I have followed the past fifty years of discussions and arguments regarding the origin and spread of the Indo European languages, then to watch the few gloat over the others when ancient genetics appeared to seal their case So I was aware of the importance of genetics in his argument, but at the same time, I echo those archaeologists who stress that language doesn t come with our genes However, as an indication of migrations, ancient genes can tell us far than our language Alas for Stephen Oppenheimer, that he had no recourse to modern genetics, and certainly not to ancient genes Yet he does his best with what was available In that, I cannot fault him Except to say why must his explanations be so convoluted As with the languages and the flood, my major complaint here is his lack of clarity 4 Flood myths Oppenheimer opens this section by naming his main source outside of the classical as the Scottish social anthropologist and folklorist, Sir James George Frazer 1854 1941 Frazer is famous for his Golden Bough, published in 1890, lesser known for his Great Flood originally published in 1918 as chapter four of Folk lore in the Old Testament, vol I Frazer wasn t the most honest of researchers He had a theory and he wasn t averse to misrepresenting the facts Moreover, whence those facts In his search for supporting myth, he wrote to ambassadors and governors, and particularly missionaries and asked them to mail him whatever they could regarding local myths Then is it a wonder that worldwide, we find myths recorded by Frazer that so closely resemble the Biblical myth Though, I admit, there are a few myths in Frazer s Great Flood that do not conform Yet Oppenheimer relies on this source and even recommends his readers refer to Frazer for a wider view I d say a better resource might be Wikipedia In conclusion This is a book review, it isn t a critique or a counterargument Moreover, it s only one person s view Yet I find I can t review it without calling attention to features I found disappointing I am not an expert in genetics, linguistic or mythology But I am well read and try to stay abreast of the latest developments While I m all in favour of breaking away from the rigid compartmentalism adhered to in academia, I lament that it s now a fashion for scientists to wade into mythology with no real understanding of what makes a myth This year alone we ve seen extraordinary incidents of extreme weather earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, tsunamis, a year s worth of rain descend in one day, scrub fires, mudslides, deaths, homes lost one wonders what tales the survivors would tell if we still lived in a non technological age In telling a tale, the inclination to embroider, to make exciting, sticks as sure as the silt left from a flood And that, in my opinion, is an overlooked fact in the work of Stephen Oppenheimer.

  4. says:

    Very dense, took a long time to absorb it, but very important and opens up great wonderings.

  5. says:

    A great study about the derivative of Southest asia culture also the Chinese and Indian It also issues an academic perspective on Southern advanced techniques which were belived originating from China.

  6. says:

    I wanna read this book so much , but i have no enough money to buy the book do you all wanna borrow me

  7. says:

    Oppenheimer advances the thesis that rapid sea level rise about 8000 years ago forced people living on the Sunda Shelf in southeast Asia then an extensive area of dry land to migrate east and west, bringing much of their culture with them The geology, genetics, and linguistics he rallies in support seem sound When he gets to mythology, though, his ground becomes much shakier He claims evidence to suggest that themes common to the Middle East and Europe pretty much everything in Genesis 1 8, and a little originated in Sunda But mostly his argument is that when a theme occurs in Sunda, it originated there, and there was a physical inspiration for it when the same theme occurs elsewhere, it came via diffusion In a couple places, he buttresses his case with statistical correlations of motifs occurring together, but those statistics are weakened by selective interpretation of the myths e.g., any mention of vegetation becomes a tree and by omission of South American myths perhaps unknown to him at the time which include several of the same motifs His case is strong enough to merit further study, particularly regarding an early settlement of Polynesia, and the myths he discusses are interesting in themselves But the section on spread of myths must remain in the wild speculation category at least until reliable methods are found to determine how and where myths spread.

  8. says:

    Presents an intriguing idea overall a Neolithic civilization in southeast Asia 7000 years ago or , spread its influences west to Egypt and Mesopotamia and east into the Polynesian islands through trade and, after post Ice Age floods, through migrations It examines archaeology, language, genetics, and myths in connecting these areas But it is not well organized for such a large canvas and therefore the story cannot support the book s length Grounded in science, but not without some leaps is speculation.

  9. says:

    Jika premis atau hipotesa buku ini benar, maka sejarah dunia harus diubah beserta turunannya, antropologi dll Dan jika Atlantis ada di Asia Tenggara, sebagiannya di Indonesia, oh banyak mitos agama akan runtuh buku bagus yang harus dibaca dan kelak akan jadi sangat penting di antara tahun 2030 2050 ke atas saat trend antropologi sains politik ekonomi lingkungan dll mengarah ke Indonesia buku yang harus dimiliki bersama dengan Atlantis The Continent Finally Found dari Arysio Santos

  10. says:

    A most excellent book Read Bruce Kenyon s book Into Africa before you make your mind up.

This Book Completetly Changes The Established And Conventional View Of Prehistory By Relocating The Lost Eden The World S First Civilisation To Southeast Asia At The End Of The Ice Age, Southeast Asia Formed A Continent Twice The Size Of India, Which Included Indochina, Malaysia, Indonesia, And Borneo In Eden In The East, Stephen Oppenheimer Puts Forward The Astonishing Argument That Here In Southeast Asia Rather Than In Mesopotamia Where It Is Usually Placed Was The Lost Civilization That Fertilized The Great Cultures Of The Middle East , Years Ago He Produces Evidence From Ethnography, Archaeology, Oceanography, Creation Stories, Myths, Linguistics, And DNA Analysis To Argue That This Founding Civilization Was Destroyed By A Catastrophic Flood, Caused By A Rapid Rise In The Sea Level At The End Of The Last Ice Age